Which on would you pick for a DD?

"djmanila" (djmanila) 04/05/2014 at 12:20 • Filed to: BMW, 228i, BRZ

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I am going to start commuting about 70 miles a day and the E39's gas mileage is not very attractive so I would need to change soon maybe before the year ends.

I am considering these for fuel efficiency:

price not being a huge downside as I work for BMW and can lease the 228i for about the same payment as the BRZ. I have been in the industry for a while so I have connections for the Subaru also.

What other sport coupe/sedan do you recommend I look at?

Brian Silvestro > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:29

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BRZ should be out of the question if you can get the BMW for the same price.

bob and john > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:31

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id say try and get the diesel 3 series. gas mileage will be unbelieveable.

Axial > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:33

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Requirements?

hethoughtofcars > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:35

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Those are awesome choices! Since you work for BMW why not consider this too:

320i 23/33mpg

GTI MkVII > bob and john 04/05/2014 at 12:36

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Yep, I'd definitely go the diesel route.

djmanila > hethoughtofcars 04/05/2014 at 12:37

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I was thinking that also but it just gets lost in a sea of 3-series' if that makes sense.

djmanila > Axial 04/05/2014 at 12:40

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fun FR preferred. I was thinking about the Audi A3 but it was underwhelming driving it plus I work for BMW that is a no no

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 12:41

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Unless it's lease vs purchase.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:41

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How about a Diesel BMW? Or are those not available?

Brian Silvestro > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 04/05/2014 at 12:41

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:44

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I'd drive both of those, the new WRX and STI, and the Focus and Fiesta STs. Considering used as well? Because Cayman S...

Somethingwittyer likes noisy > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:44

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Unless you're going to really upgrade it get the 2.

dogisbadob > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:45

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Toyota/Subaru > BMW in terms of reliability and shit, but if you need a sunroof then you have to pick the asshat car unfortunately :(

Awesome that you work for BMW though! Is the entire parking lot marked as handicapped stalls? Are there even lines to denote spaces? :p

djmanila > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 04/05/2014 at 12:45

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They are available. My last choice would be a 3 series. I have thought about it but everyone in the store drives one.

djmanila > dogisbadob 04/05/2014 at 12:46

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they park on the street with no lines haha.

bob and john > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:47

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well, there is a good reason for it.
side's in a couple of months everyone will be driving a 2 series, so thats not going to be much better now is it?

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:47

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ahh, I see. I have no doubt you've driven one at some point then.

Axial > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 12:51

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Since you work for BMW, that sort of automatically rules out any German car that isn't a BMW.

I would suggest looking at the RWD CTS Coupe and the RWD ATS (if you haven't already). There's also Lexus, but I don't know anything about them. I don't like Infiniti, they felt rubbish inside; not worth the price. The 370Z is worth considering, but it doesn't sound nice and there are better-feeling options from others.

I don't know how far up or down the market you prefer, because there's still the usual suspects from Honda, Ford, and Chevrolet to consider. I don't know how bad is bad to you for fuel economy. I daily a C4 Corvette, and I consider it pretty good on gas considering I drive in crawling traffic every day. 20 gallon tank, 12-14 gallon fill once a week driving 44 miles five times a week.

For me, it would be a fight between the Camaro SS 1LE and CTS Coupe RWD Performance. One comes with a manual, one does not. Me being all but completely disinterested in what the luxury experience is about, I'd probably go Chevy.

Edit: Believe it or not, the Dodge Dart is quite a bit of fun. I'd also recommend that. It also has the broadest selection of engine/transmission options, with three different displacement motors to choose from and an array of transmissions that includes a traditional auto, DCT, and manual. Also, it comes in orange.

Manuél Ferrari > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 04/05/2014 at 12:57

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I'd still go bimmer.

70 miles round trip is no joke. The heavy ass bimmer would be way more comfy :)

djmanila > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 04/05/2014 at 13:22

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I actually almost drove to Pittsburgh to look at an M3 E90 sedan...totally defeats the purpose of fuel efficiency

djmanila > Axial 04/05/2014 at 13:23

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I would actually consider the IS as they look great. But the Lexus is not that fuel efficient.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 13:25

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70 miles round trip on the highway?

Give me the car with more torque please, even if it costs more.

djmanila > GTI MkVII 04/05/2014 at 13:27

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I actually drove the Diesel and it is nice the 45 mpg highway is a huge plus.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 13:28

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The BMW is twice the car that the BRZ is.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 13:35

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The BRZ needs factory FI right now!!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 13:41

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I know! It also needs a giant spoiler and STI badges everywhere.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 13:43

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DO IT SUBARU!!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 13:52

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Also I forgot to say - if the commute was short I'd go BRZ. More fun and better for AutoX and track days.

I'd imagine the BRZ's steering feel destroys that of the 2 Series

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 14:00

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You're probably right on that, and the money you'd save on gas is also a plus.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 14:09

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Subaru NEEDS to make a bigger version of the BRZ with a flat 6. A cheaper 911 with the engine up front

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 14:10

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That would be awesome. They'd sell so much!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 14:16

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It would be great. It would be the Japanese version of the Alfa 6C that we'll never get.

He can you tweet Mikey B and ask him to FP the 964 post from today? That post was awesome.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 14:19

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I think he saw it because also FP'd the Morgan 3-Wheeler review.

Collin > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 14:49

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How much will you save on gas vs. the payment on the 228i? Can you really live with yourself if you get rid of your E39 and have to live in a world where you no longer own the greatest car ever made?

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:04

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Y he no like 964s? :(

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:05

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I have no idea, I just sent him the link:

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:08

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Nice!!

I really think it was well written. And it had great pics.

I just checked the prices of 964 C2s with MTs. Omg the prices have gone up so much in the last couple years :(

I swear you could get one a couple years ago for under $30K. Not anymore

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:09

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I know! I wanted to purchase one around now, but the prices have made it impossible.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:11

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it sucks! They were so cheap!!

You da man!

The 964 post just got FPed

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:12

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Ok good, here's the tweet:

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:14

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LOL!

He seems annoyed. Or he's just funny

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:16

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I'm leaning towards funny, or maybe I'm not the first person who's asked him to FP it.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:18

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I asked him in a comment to his hilarious corvair ad post

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:20

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Yep, that's definitely the reason then.

I guess I have connections "high up" to make stuff like that happen.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:20

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you're becoming famous around here

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:23

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It's too bad I don't write any actual content or else I might become a Jalopnik staff member.

Famous as fuck!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:25

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Haha it's better to focus on getting your degree. The best Jalop job is already taken (Doug)

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:27

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Yeah you're right. He gets to sit around all day with no pants on, talk about cars, and drive a Ferrari.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:28

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he's basically car blog Jesus

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:30

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Yes, exactly. I also have a strange urge to buy an M3 from Carmax now.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:33

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Hahaha

The Doug Carmax influence has rubbed off.

If going Carmax you have to go DCT. That way feel like you got something for how much you overpaid to get the warranty if the DCT breaks.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:34

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That makes sense. It's amazing what they'll cover. They have all kinds of Porsches in stock as well.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:36

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You should manage to haggle the no haggle Carmax sales guy

You'll be a hero

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:40

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Hahaha a god among men.

What color should I get my Fiesta ST in?

djmanila > Collin 04/05/2014 at 15:43

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that is my issue now

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:46

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hmm

I guess blue. Blue is always the answer

Omg look at this deal!

I thought you'd like this 1981 Porsche 911 on AutoTrader.com.

http://m.autotrader.com/vdp.html?id=29…

Look at the mileage!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:49

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You should go buy that. It would be a great investment.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:50

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YOU should buy it!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 15:52

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Guess who won't let me!!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 15:58

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so funny cause I sent it to K roll too and he said his dad don't let him and is making him get an ST

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 16:03

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That is the funniest thing ever!

djmanila > Collin 04/05/2014 at 16:22

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Mine is a 540i M Tech. I just need to calculate to see if its worth it. I just did a calculation I'd probably spend about $280 a month in fuel. I guess it isn't that bad since it is paid off.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 16:33

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it's so common on Oppo!

The ST will never be worth anything in the future. Wayyyy too common

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 16:36

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WHY GOD WHY

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 16:37

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cause Porsche-hating Dads force their sons to buy them to get "warranties"

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 16:37

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Warranties are why I can't have fun during my youth.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 16:40

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why are they so important?

We don't get warranties with MUCH riskier decisions. Like marriage and children.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 16:42

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Those would be the best warranties..

If you have kids don't force warranties on them!

Just pass your cars down to them.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 16:47

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oh I'm gonna be WAY worse than your dad

I won't care about warranties. But if I'm paying for a car it will be super safe and VERY slow. If I can't find a slow enough car I'll pay to have one de tuned

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 16:49

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hahaha you sound like my dad when it comes to my sister driving. He really doesn't care how fast I can go, but when it comes to her he's scared when she's driving the 328 around.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 16:53

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I'm more scared about boys

Cause I know how I drive

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 16:55

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Yeah I would be too because I know how I drive.

Does the 997 have awful reflectors?

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 16:56

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Nope! :)

What is the point of them on cars with LEDs?

There should be an exemption when LEDs are used as they don't die

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 16:58

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Yeah you're right. I ruins so many cars. The designers didn't have this stuff in mind when making the car, so it just ruins it.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 17:07

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I bet you companies are already selling replacement pieces for the F30 and 991 in paint-matched colors.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 17:10

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They'd make a fortune. If they aren't you should jump on that.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 17:14

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I'll provide the startup money and you drop out of college and start the company!

Wow check out this damning article on the F12:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exot…

All does not seem amazing with this car.

Looks like the 458 S is a much better car dynamically.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 17:17

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*gasp*

Maybe that's not a press car.

Still, quite interesting.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 17:18

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A 599 6MT would be cheaper and probably just as fun!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 17:25

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Finding one would be 100 times harder!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro 04/05/2014 at 17:28

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I bet if you were willing to overpay you could find one fast.

You could create a post on FChat's classified section saying "WANTED: 6MT 599, WILL PAY $50K OVER CURRENT MARKET VALUE"

And you'd still get it for less than a F12!

Damn it why don't we have that much money? It would be a no brainer!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari 04/05/2014 at 17:29

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Well duh, that'd be my DD.

Axial > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 18:01

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Which IS? The IS 250 is not too shabby on fuel economy, and remains competitive with the likes of the turbo-4s in the GTI, A4, ATS, etc.

What's your desired fuel economy range?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > djmanila 04/05/2014 at 21:03

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Ha! My commute is ~15 miles, so I don't feel that bad about the mileage. The M3 could make your commute 35 minutes, theorhetically, but you'd have to fill her up every other day...

Collin > djmanila 04/06/2014 at 02:37

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Well, fellow 540i owner, I approve of your prior purchase. That said, I also understand the want for something new. If you can afford the payment on the 228i and the gas as well, go for it. From what I've read, it's at least as fast, if not faster.

djmanila > Collin 04/07/2014 at 11:10

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Its plenty fun. 240 hp and 255 lb/ft is enough. I was also thinking of the M235i but that is completely a luxury purchase for more power.

George Costanza > djmanila 04/07/2014 at 11:59

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I am a little biased as a bimmer fan but I think if you can get an employee discount then BMW and since you work there you know the mechanics and can get any concerns answered, as well its versatile. You could get a 328i, its still powerful but four doors.

Collin > djmanila 04/07/2014 at 16:40

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Luxury purchases for more power can be a lot of fun though.

djmanila > Collin 04/08/2014 at 09:46

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trust me I was and still am very tempted. Just gotta convince the fiance' that there never is such a thing as too many cars. If this new move gives me a good financial increase I might go for it come LCI time.

Kyle Geddes > djmanila 04/11/2014 at 13:37

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Hard to say.. value wise, sounds like you should go with the BMW.

But, driving wise... I'm driving a 3 series right now, but owned an FR-S before it. I miss the FR-S every day - wish things would have worked out differently, but one day i'll go back to it, for sure.